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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with yet another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday back on a Wednesday

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night doing some weeknight stuff and we

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got a great show for you tonight

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and let me bring on to introduce our

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fabulous panel of guests tonight is

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coming up on her one-year anniversary of

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hosting podcasts are the one and only

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Hannah how are you tonight I'm

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doing great thank you very much for that

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happy Anniversary Chad not yet we will

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be doing that anniversary show I

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guarantee it

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that will be a big big deal thank you so

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much so happy Anniversary to you too I

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wanted to go ahead and introduce some

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really wonderful people one I have

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interviewed before and everyone here is

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going to talk about a very special topic

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called

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made our it's about the made our project

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and I'm gonna start off with introducing

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Francis L rich who has had 60 years in

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UFO investigation or research with major

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organizations in 2017 of October he set

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up made our two at new location in

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Newburgh Indiana and 2018 made our three

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worldwide system went operational in May

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with 22 sites in mostly the US as of May

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2009 there are 65 sites nine foreign and

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the position statement of made our

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Frances Ridge quote here there is no

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doubt that most UFOs are actually IFOS

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identified misidentified etc for the

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subset of events that cannot be

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explained there is a group of sightings

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that demonstrates solid objects under

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intelligent control I am convinced that

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these objects are somebody else's craft

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although I cannot prove that the

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intelligence behind the phenomena is et

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in nature I consider the ETH to be the

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least unlikely I also feel that there is

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a nuclear connection or one that

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indicates a cause-and-effect

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relationship with serious world events

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that could lead to a nuclear threat

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and that the evidence in the form of

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military sightings indicates an overt

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military type operation end of quote and

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also wanted to talk to one of our guests

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on the show later about a presentation I

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believe Frances Ridge just did recently

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in Connecticut MUFON chapter the next

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person of course is Michael panatela the

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director of MU fonts Connecticut chapter

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who I have had the pleasure and honor of

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interviewing before is also a friend of

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mine and Paul Wright who runs made our

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Frances Facebook page and is involved in

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mater the made our three network page is

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what he runs maintained by him node 131

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France is what it's called and that he's

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been interested in this phenomena since

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he was a kid but only recently got

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involved with manner around end of 2017

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and also worked on some cases with the

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black fault in 2018 main focus at the

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moment is setting up and finding new

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tools to complement and work alongside

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made our welcome everyone to the show

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welcome aboard

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I'm eager Mike's ready to go okay and in

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that order I believe that was Michael

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panitch hello and I think that was Fran

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and then Paul right but when you talk

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gentlemen be sure to identify yourself

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so our audience knows who's speaking and

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wanted to ask Frank did you have a

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question you want to start off with yeah

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it should be pretty simple for you guys

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tell us all about the idea behind

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getting this made our project together

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and tell us a little bit about the gear

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the whole idea for me was the idea of an

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early warning system it's one thing it'd

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be an investigator I did a lot of

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investigating and I was at the mercy of

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the phenomena and I wanted to improve

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our chances of getting more sightings

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investigated and witnessed by people

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like us are trained so I built one

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device back in 1960 and worked on that

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and proved on it and didn't really get

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serious about it until 1973 when I got

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done traveling all over the place the

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company I work for used used to transfer

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us a lot and there's two or three years

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that I did that they made our wasn't

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hooked up so in 1973 when I got it

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hooked up got caught right in the middle

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of the wave of 1973 so it was always a

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one-man one station operation for a long

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time and we had several interesting you

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missed it took place but I am my

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greatest hope was to have a number of

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stations located worldwide operated by a

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number of trained people and April of

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that's where I came up on the idea of

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how to make the main our three and it

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and then after about two years of hard

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work on that we were operational as me

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um the question I wanted to ask you Fran

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is how does made our work well right off

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the bat we knew we knew we couldn't lose

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that sounds kind of silly but when you

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have four or five hundred

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cases with vehicles being shut down and

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fifty cases where compass needles movie

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that we knew that we had a winner we

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just had to figure out how to do it and

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what it basically does the original

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that uses light beams to watch the

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movement but this new made our is all

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has on board and an accelerometer which

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we don't use yet but it's there some of

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the people that have it already having

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on board we just haven't got the program

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written for it all of this data on the

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radar is time dated with the universal

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time code so basically what it does it

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looks at it looks at the data about 15

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times a second and then every minute

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and degrees in inches of mercury and

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then when the device goes into alert

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start it ramps up to once per second so

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Ricardian our friend now what type of

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we know that that ufos and compasses we

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have at least 150 cases where our

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compasses moved and so we may be that

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the magnetometer would also work but we

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do it'd be a lot more sensitive which it

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turned out to be true it's very very

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sensitive there may be times when we'll

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have an alert and and not know what it

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was of course and we're not concerned

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that what we're concerned about is two

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things if we have an alert and somebody

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reports UFO that's what we're looking

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for but the primary thing is when we

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have an alert we want to go out look so

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we're not really too concerned about all

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the other times that it goes off and we

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don't I I have other questions but I

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wanted to skip to Paul right and ask him

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if he could just explain to us what kind

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of involvement he has in the made our

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my primary focus at the moment is

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looking for other tools to help

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complement the made our project and by

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that I mean I'm currently looking at

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setting up a passive radar system using

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an RTL SDR dongle that's the tiny little

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dongle that I'll plug into a laptop or a

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desktop and you connect an aerial such

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as a Yankee five element and that will

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scan the atmosphere and using signals

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graves radar which is based in Leon

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might not be right on that but if

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anything enters the atmosphere the radar

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will pick up these anomalies that are

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out there so hopefully that will match

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up with some some of the made our hits

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which will be really interesting before

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I move on to Michael Pento cello the

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question I have for you is did your

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equipment ever go off and did you ever

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apart yeah hello yeah either nope for me

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this is this is still in development at

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the moment so this is something that I'm

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going to be testing fairly soon with

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regard to getting made eye hits but with

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with the made our system lieutenant we

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correct me if I'm wrong here and but I

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think we get emails that sent to us when

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the made our system picks up an alert I

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haven't actually got the system

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implemented where it will send up a an

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actual alarm say in the house to let me

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write then that I can go outside and

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look so I'm always slightly behind real

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real quick before champ moves along over

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to Michael yeah is there a ceiling for

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this particular device for the middle or

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for the passive radar

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we got it off and I don't know about the

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made are but that for the passive radar

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as far as I know it it can literally go

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to the edge of the atmosphere okay so

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that's roughly ninety a hundred thousand

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feet right yeah okay Michael I wanted to

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ask you what is your involvement

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regarding the made our project well well

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Connecticut has been involved with it

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since beginning with some of the testing

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and implementation of the Automator

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but we've been supporting it as best as

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we can since it started and would it be

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fair to say that you actually have done

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youtube videos on this regarding talking

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about the research on it or what kind of

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what is the extent of the involvement

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well two of our members Armando and a

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guy named Mike they run two notes in

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Connecticut and we have talked about on

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our ham radio and that's that we run on

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talking about him

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regards to discussing minor operations

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over the internet yeah and also wanted

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to ask you is it correct that Fran Ridge

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visited your chapter and did a

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presentation recently or a while back

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yes he came to our November meeting the

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telephone everyone like they find the

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very interesting and informative the

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notes that are being run that Mike and

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Armando laundry on are running wanted to

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ask you have they detected any unusual

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activity and if so did anybody see

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anything in the sky has anything like

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that happened or have they detected any

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anomalous activity that could not be

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explained or could be explained the data

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on their machines I think Mike had some

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do to some more man-made objects but he

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simply fixed that and I think he's

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running smooth now the any anomalies are

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run by Fran through the database on the

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MUFON side I don't know of any in

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Connecticut that have correspondent it

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directly with them Hightower head okay

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okay so a back to you Fran a question I

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have for you is I have a few questions

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but one question I wanted to ask you is

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can you please state the main goals of

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the made our project what we were up

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against because we went operational in

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May of last year and I think you even

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mentioned that we had like 22 was that

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when I but you said that we had 22 sites

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and all we started out oh now we got

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close to a hundred so basically we need

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and we're working out all kinds of

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little issues as we go they were getting

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hits on most of the notes so what we

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have to do is study those hits watch how

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the numbers change and of course they

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don't mean anything they're uncorrelated

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targets unless we do get sightings we're

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right now working with MUFON to check

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sightings for the previous week and

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actually also we're going back a year

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because we weren't doing it back at that

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time with Hans help so they're checking

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the June sightings of last year and the

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most important thing is to work out a

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system where it's actually an early

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warning system and we didn't build that

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in the device if you if you've seen the

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device it's so small that we couldn't

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have a car created an alarm panel there

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because that would first go I would have

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taken a lot more space and also would

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have been an e/m source so we would have

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been triggering the device

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- so device now to make an alarm panel

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and we're trying to get everybody

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equipped with that I just wanted to let

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our other guests know anytime you want

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to interrupt and talk please do because

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this shows about you and made our so by

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all means please jump in and start

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talking if you feel like you have

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something to add to the discussion one

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reason Fran why made are so successful

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was the WoW signal can you please chime

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in on that

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yeah first the first sightings that we

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had tied to made our were unbelievably

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Hubble spike quartz to dental they were

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they would they would occur within a few

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days and it was enough to get us excited

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but it wasn't until 1977 that we had we

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had seven sightings in July and August

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and right before I get to the Wow school

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now when I mentioned that on the 12th of

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July

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we had a made art event that police

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reported there were sighting 65 miles

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and 85 miles away two different

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directions at the same time so that gave

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us a clue that a lot of times UFOs

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operate over large distances so by

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August the 15th we had the biggest event

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that we never recorded three minutes in

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29 seconds and 18 pulses and the

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radiation doubled well at the time that

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happened we didn't know about the wild

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signal so when I wrote my book I never

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mentioned the West didn't know about it

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32 years later we found out at the WoW

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signal 310 miles away at that

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Observatory occurred that exact same

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time and it's hard to think of a

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coincidence there so we think that was

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very important so one of the questions I

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have planned on asking you was can you

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share an instance an instance where a

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detection by a made our unit

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conclusively showed us data caused by a

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UFO with that instance fall under that

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or is there another instance you can

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share regarding that question excuse me

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those started right after the 1973

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well let's put it this way there was a

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there was a series of sightings during

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that massive signing away one of which

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was the coin case in Mansfield Ohio yes

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the gula incident the DEF CON three over

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the arab-israeli war we had local

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signings we had one sighting actually

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two sightings locally at the same time I

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made or went off the whole year went

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along without any major events until

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November the 1st and it was striking to

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see the graph or made art was right at

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the peak really quickly oh yeah Fran I

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really quick did you ever regarding the

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WoW signal did you ever follow up with

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dr. Jerry Amon who found that signal in

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his data and you know see if see what he

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thought we kind of worked hard with my

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discovery of the the anomaly on the

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backside of the moon appear cells to see

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I was working with NASA on different

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aspects of that and the men and I

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brought that report up and reported it I

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lost contact all the people um Fran

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realizing that many things can alter a

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magnetic field how do you discern the

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difference between completely normal

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events versus a UFO well we don't we

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don't get too concerned about it if we

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don't have a sighting so the way we look

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at it if you have an anomaly reported

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and there's no signing it's what we call

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that and uncorrelated target but if we

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have a sighting then you know then it

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becomes important no thing we have to

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watch to someone they haven't made our

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unit it made trigger and they may go out

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and see an airplane

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if they're too far out they might

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consider that to be which that's a good

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segue just when sex sorry Frank to lead

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to the next question I have which is

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Fran who analyzes any data that is

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collected at an event we have about 50

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members with different degrees of

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expertise and if we after going over the

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data with Mia phone and those people if

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we have something that looks very

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compelling we're right now working on a

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group of people making independently so

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slightly similar question who

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investigates the triggered events

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noticed by the unit knew fine we would

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work with the state director okay Frank

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go ahead uh yeah basically yeah for

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something to really get your attention

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you would want a made are alert and then

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an independent witness somebody who

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doesn't have the radar node you would

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want that independent witness to have

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witnessed something and reported it so

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is that about right really get your

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follow-up reasons why we also record

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aircraft transmissions because that to

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me would be one of the highest-rated is

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some air pilot talking to a control

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tower a hundred miles away would be

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reporting an unusual object that would

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be pretty compelling to me and so then

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Fran what if anything is done with the

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data collected and who uses it how is it

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shared for research purposes that's

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being considered okay what to do and how

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to do it another quick question you

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got these made our alerts going off and

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obviously not everybody can be you know

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sort of around their node 24/7 now

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people have to sleep and so on and so

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forth

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are these things running at and go to

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work and all that good stuff so are

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these devices of the running 24/7 are

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people shutting them down and only

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running them you know when they're at

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home and just kind of relaxing I mean

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how does how does that part of the

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system work and the server records those

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debut lines that I described at once per

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minute it's called a status line okay

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and that there's there one centralized

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server that does this yes got it okay

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okay and let's say yeah an alert goes

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off and somebody's not home the

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centralized server will the server get

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the alert as well or how exactly does

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that work okay

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alert email to the okay okay Fran I've

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got a kind of a hardball question for

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you and that is how would your unit for

439
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hundreds of dollars be any different

440
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than say having a compass or using a

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magno meter like an application called

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Tesla meter 11 that rich Hoffmann

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mentioned on our previous show and the

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I'm trying to think of that fourth one

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there's one that has lights on the goose

446
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mm-hmm they would be like they would be

447
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used if someone saw a UFO and they would

448
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grab one of those and see what they can

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do and the odds against that are kinda

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rare but I would still suggest that they

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do that but none of those would

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automatically and would not be running

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and store data and so how sensitive is

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the unit Oh too sensitive but we would

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be or we rather have that and have a lot

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of uncorrelated targets rather than miss

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something so right now we're running

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them at its ratio of what we call 30

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milli gals their true

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some of those are triggering twice a

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week okay there's something and yeah

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what type of things come up that trigger

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false positives very few very few

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because that inverse keep with the

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distance I know one time my wife pulled

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the car up real close to the office door

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and triggered it it was like two feet

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away but in most cases you know a fire

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truck or a UPS truck or a train might

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Millea wouldn't it wouldn't trigger now

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one guy in Georgia claimed the c-130

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flew for treetop level on trigger day it

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was carrying the electronic equipments

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alright we don't really know um okay so

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few more questions one connected to what

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you just said is some kind of a

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barometer or some kind of some kind of a

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part of your equipment that can can

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desensitize the sensitivity level if you

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can understand what I'm saying so that

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it doesn't it doesn't pick up everything

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can you actually lower the sensitivity

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level of the equipment yes okay and is

484
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there a warranty with this unit for if

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so for how long we have we've gone well

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over you know we're backwards to make

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sure they stay running properly is there

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any kind of maintenance involved like

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any kind of calibration that has to be

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done on a yeah I got a yearly basis or

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quarterly basis anything like that no so

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so Fran how does one know if the unit is

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working

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or not so let's just say I have one in

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front of me how do I know it's working

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go to the main site and click on the

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node and if first of all if the node

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shows that the time is correct you know

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that it that it's running now if the

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numbers if it's if it's running but the

501
00:29:17,150 --> 00:29:14,520
numbers are never changing that would

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indicate you know something is wrong and

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so far we haven't had anything like that

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happen

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and I would like to mention to our

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listeners I'm on the made our site right

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now so what you would do is you would

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type in triple w dot m a dar dot site s

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ite and on this site what you can do is

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you can use your cursor you know click

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on the pad that you have in front of you

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the mousepad if you're on a laptop or

513
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use your mouse if you're on a computer

514
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and you can actually zoom in and out and

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control the distance level and also grab

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the screen and move it up and down to be

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able to see where all the mater is it

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the made our units I'm looking at right

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now yes or is it all the hits location

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okay good yeah all right yeah real quick

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Apollo you're over in France are you

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plugged into the us-based ed network or

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do you have your own independent network

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in France it's connected back to friends

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server Wow okay Michael my question to

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you is what prompted your interest in

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the made our topic in other words why

528
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why get involved at all what was in it

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for you as far as getting involved in

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the made our project well I really got

531
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involved because one of my members

532
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wanted to get involved with it and he

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liked it and I wanted to support

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him and do what I can to to promote it

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within the chapter to help him improve

536
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:15,140
it because he liked it I like it because

537
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:18,510
it can't hurt to try having another way

538
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:21,510
of looking for UFOs on a more regular

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basis and once it gets proven I look

540
00:31:30,170 --> 00:31:27,300
forward to it being a regular part of

541
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you ethology are you talking about my

542
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kin Armando or one of them yeah

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00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:36,330
Armand does a really wonderful person

544
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:40,170
he's a friend of mine also he is I mean

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if you want to say deeply involved it

546
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:44,130
seems like he is regarding the made our

547
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:47,130
project I think he also is involved in

548
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:49,370
would it be fair to say ham radio

549
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:52,650
interest he's an enthusiast of that we

550
00:31:59,060 --> 00:31:57,150
both are yeah and also you know there's

551
00:32:01,160 --> 00:31:59,070
a quite a few people who don't really

552
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:01,170
know what ham radio is can you explain

553
00:32:08,419 --> 00:32:03,290
to us what does that mean what is it

554
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:08,429
ham radio is amateur radio - ham it's

555
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,780
more like a just the jargon of it so on

556
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:15,120
the radio spectrum some of the radio

557
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:19,340
waves are put aside for communication by

558
00:32:24,530 --> 00:32:22,110
basically talking to a device

559
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:24,540
the most common way people think of it

560
00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:27,150
is CB radios you know if you watched on

561
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:32,030
TV with the truckers citizen band that's

562
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:34,710
kind of gives you an idea what ham radio

563
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:37,230
is ham radio was one level higher get

564
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:40,050
license by the FCC

565
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,050
you can you know you run all kinds of

566
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,720
nets for example you want to Skywarn net

567
00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:48,480
not me particularly but ham radio in

568
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:51,300
general we participate in a lot of

569
00:32:58,940 --> 00:32:54,540
public service so Skywarn is a way where

570
00:33:00,799 --> 00:32:58,950
we will in a storm monitor the weather

571
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:00,809
so when you're watching your local

572
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:03,150
forecast for example on the Thursday

573
00:33:06,919 --> 00:33:05,130
night or whenever and it's like well we

574
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:06,929
have three inches of snow here four

575
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,140
inches of snow there ham radios were

576
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:12,000
involved in collecting that data ham

577
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:15,960
radio operators and so it's a rewarding

578
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,100
field for sir

579
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:19,620
and just regular communication and for

580
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:22,590
your apology we use it for crime to

581
00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:25,950
promote the field and combine the two

582
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,190
fields into one and since Armando is a

583
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:32,000
ham and I'm a ham we decided to run de

584
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:35,070
annette and it's it's been picking up

585
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:37,799
it's pretty popular and we enjoy it

586
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:40,769
people enjoy listening to it Michael I

587
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,690
was going to ask you if people in

588
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:44,460
Connecticut or even outside of

589
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:46,049
Connecticut want to travel to your

590
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:49,320
chapter to listen to presentations by

591
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:52,769
speakers from all over the world can

592
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,049
where do they go you know what's the

593
00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:57,840
address where how do they actually go

594
00:34:03,619 --> 00:33:59,850
see these wonderful presentations that

595
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:03,629
Connecticut MUFON has well you can see

596
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:06,990
all of our information on MUFON CT comm

597
00:34:11,419 --> 00:34:09,569
there's a link to the Connecticut might

598
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:11,429
our page which will talk about our

599
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:14,359
involvement in the might our program

600
00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:17,369
there's a link to our YouTube page so if

601
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:19,230
you want to see our ham and radio and

602
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:20,970
that's live if you're curious about what

603
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:25,710
ham radio is you can go on there and any

604
00:34:33,139 --> 00:34:28,290
kind of events that we have we post on

605
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:33,149
that website as well to answer your

606
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:35,190
question if they want to see what we're

607
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,710
doing and and see some of our videos of

608
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:39,750
our presentations it is all linked for

609
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,379
our website thank you uh just one

610
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:44,940
question left for you Michael did you

611
00:34:50,669 --> 00:34:49,230
ever did you ever get involved in nycap

612
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:50,679
in any way shape or form

613
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:52,940
[Music]

614
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:56,190
however friend has and Fran I wanted to

615
00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:58,650
ask you can you please share with us

616
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:01,230
your involvement in nycap your role and

617
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:05,190
just a little bit about that well of

618
00:35:11,059 --> 00:35:08,670
course Mike it was along with a pro the

619
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:11,069
two major organizations when I was a

620
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:14,930
young man getting out of high school and

621
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:18,510
when I got involved with my cap they had

622
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:22,260
about 18 subcommittees and I got a team

623
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:24,690
of investigators together and three

624
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:27,660
advisors we had a seven-man team and we

625
00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:29,740
were indiana unit 1 which is 1

626
00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:33,460
for an Indiana that went until about the

627
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:38,619
mid 70s when I kept went under and of

628
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:45,000
course be fine was yeah yeah I okay so

629
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:48,250
there's 32 people on your a team who

630
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:50,200
have participated in your nightcap

631
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,060
research over the years is that right

632
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:55,599
yes okay and then the chronology of

633
00:36:01,800 --> 00:35:59,650
NICAP can you just kind of share a short

634
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:01,810
blurb on that and then I wanted to move

635
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:15,970
on to another topic and of course they

636
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:19,089
were the early years and then when I got

637
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:21,670
started they continued that on on that

638
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:25,450
to about 1964 when they put out the UFO

639
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:30,280
evidence so when I got the nightcap site

640
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:33,670
going in the mid 90s we took those we

641
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:36,520
improved on them and of course added the

642
00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:41,460
following years so each each year has

643
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:43,540
chronological listings they're very

644
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:46,990
brief and in most cases at least the

645
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:49,780
important ones there's a hot link that

646
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,490
you can click on that takes you to the

647
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:54,960
directory bring yeah the directory has a

648
00:37:00,570 --> 00:36:58,420
little bit you know a short story but it

649
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:00,580
has all these pertinent documents right

650
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:02,770
the database and link information the

651
00:37:06,839 --> 00:37:04,420
full storing documents on the nightcap

652
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:06,849
site right there but can you please

653
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:10,030
share with us a little bit about ruh-ruh

654
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:12,580
Pelt's book maybe an anecdotal story

655
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:23,530
about that most important books and

656
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,130
anybody anybody in the into this field

657
00:37:32,339 --> 00:37:29,440
should definitely read that book and

658
00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:32,349
it's free it's actually free on the

659
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:35,380
night side by the way and that's where I

660
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:40,810
found it yeah I was in the eighth grade

661
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:43,360
and I was in the

662
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,150
the middle row approximately two or

663
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:49,210
three people back from the gym from a

664
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:51,160
young man who was reading that book in

665
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:56,800
class and he and Ira friend he passed it

666
00:38:01,770 --> 00:37:59,050
back to me and it was the pocket look

667
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:01,780
denelle aversion you know like a bantam

668
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:05,050
version and we were both paging through

669
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:07,690
that during class and we got detention

670
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,290
over um

671
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:13,420
you recommend people actually look at

672
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,580
the mantel case which at first you had a

673
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:18,160
lot of doubts about until you

674
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:20,380
investigate it and you came to a

675
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:22,930
different conclusion on it channel 14

676
00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:24,910
interviewed you on that it took two

677
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,100
years to finalize the conclusion on it

678
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:29,680
and if folks want to read more about

679
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:32,650
that regarding that investigation all

680
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:33,940
they need to do is go to the made our

681
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:36,040
site for the mantle and root belt book

682
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:37,900
as you're saying can you tell us a

683
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:48,090
for years and years and years I mean

684
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:50,770
root belt mentioned it he explained it

685
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:54,910
as a skyhook balloon and four decades

686
00:38:59,970 --> 00:38:57,370
after that just about every responsible

687
00:39:02,670 --> 00:38:59,980
researcher that had read into it

688
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:02,680
basically read what bruco had available

689
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:06,460
and there was nothing new but then later

690
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:10,570
on we got into the FOIA documents and we

691
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:13,930
found one that said that he had an

692
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:16,990
operating oxygen system which blew

693
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:19,690
everybody away and then of course we got

694
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:23,230
the we had to buy but we we bought the

695
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:26,710
accident report and my eight my 18 went

696
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:29,710
over all that data and the conclusion

697
00:39:35,610 --> 00:39:32,230
was that the object he was chasing

698
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:35,620
wasn't unknown yeah and just for the

699
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:37,750
folks who might not be really familiar

700
00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:42,730
with that case January 1948 in Kentucky

701
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:45,400
they were getting a number of UFO

702
00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:48,850
sightings citizens as well as a state

703
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:52,120
police were you know they were they were

704
00:39:59,560 --> 00:39:56,410
seeing this UFO and enough people had

705
00:40:01,210 --> 00:39:59,570
reported to the local airport I believe

706
00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:01,220
is our God when I believe was the Air

707
00:40:08,650 --> 00:40:04,180
Force Base but anyway they they had

708
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:08,660
contacted a group of four p50 ones that

709
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:11,450
were just happened to be flying by I

710
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:13,849
think they were heading from Georgia and

711
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:15,650
I'm not sure what their destination was

712
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:18,410
but they were asked to go take a closer

713
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:20,530
look and one of them of course was a

714
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:25,849
captain Mantell he got a got a beetle in

715
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:28,670
the UFO was a track he was following it

716
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:31,150
up to a very high altitudes and

717
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:34,790
ultimately he crashed as I was as a

718
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:37,430
result of days chasing this UFO so it

719
00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:40,910
was a huge story at the time and the

720
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:42,349
story had always been that yeah

721
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:46,580
basically that he didn't have his oxygen

722
00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:48,140
system wasn't ready to go they weren't

723
00:40:54,339 --> 00:40:50,359
expecting to fly that high so he didn't

724
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:54,349
have oxygen he may have just ran out and

725
00:40:59,620 --> 00:40:57,650
suffer from hypoxia and that's what

726
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,630
caused them to lose control of the plane

727
00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:02,240
and ultimately crash and tragically end

728
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:05,420
up dead so that was a huge case back in

729
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:09,410
the day but you're saying that he the

730
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,650
the the p-51 the oxygen was actually

731
00:41:19,930 --> 00:41:14,000
ready to go and he should have been able

732
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:19,940
to use it and he was probably defective

733
00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:22,700
in some way and then he actually did you

734
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:24,500
know he died from the crash it wasn't

735
00:41:30,609 --> 00:41:27,710
anything you know anything like that

736
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:30,619
what came out and the investigation was

737
00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:36,920
that the wingman lied and it was amazing

738
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:39,230
the the facts and the details that we

739
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:40,700
found out for one thing they used to

740
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:44,990
plan 62 which as the as he was chasing

741
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:47,480
the object airports that were listening

742
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:51,710
in to hear everything he said there yeah

743
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:54,050
now there are a lot of reports that they

744
00:41:59,530 --> 00:41:55,849
had some very interesting things to say

745
00:42:01,329 --> 00:41:59,540
as he got a beat on it oh yeah he said

746
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:01,339
it was larger metallic tremendous in

747
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:02,990
size instead he was going to go up a

748
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,339
thing was the airforce pretended that

749
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:09,720
the that there wasn't much UFO activity

750
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,540
in the area and it turns out there were

751
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:15,240
some real good UFO sightings starting

752
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:18,660
over in Ohio I wanted to ask Michael

753
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,960
Penn a cello a question I interviewed

754
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:23,760
you a while back I think it was last

755
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:26,970
year Michael and I asked you to please

756
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:30,090
share a list of UFO cases that

757
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:31,619
influenced you regarding the most

758
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:33,570
evidence of a possible extraterrestrial

759
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:36,750
presence or crafts and you said the

760
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:39,510
Rendlesham forest incident the O'Hare

761
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:42,690
Airport UFO sighting the Belgium Wave

762
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:45,930
sightings Malstrom air force base UFO

763
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,290
incident and Roswell Michael do you have

764
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:51,180
any other case that you would like to

765
00:43:01,700 --> 00:42:59,099
add to that list popular cases I think

766
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,710
the Phoenix flights I've been reading a

767
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:03,930
lot more about the Phoenix lights the

768
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:07,530
last few years and I don't remember it

769
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:09,810
was before after you interviewed me we

770
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:13,560
had Peter Davenport come on our do a

771
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:16,920
lecture for our chapter and his whole

772
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:19,260
lecture was on the Phoenix lights I mean

773
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,630
he describes this the reports that he

774
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:24,420
got in the night of the site of that

775
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,710
event it was it was something unique now

776
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:31,260
whether it was ours it was something

777
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,230
classified or or it was extraterrestrial

778
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:36,540
I don't know but it was definitely an

779
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,300
unknown so I that guy will add that one

780
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,160
to the list because he gave an excellent

781
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:44,520
presentation you had a lot of new

782
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:46,410
information that I didn't know about and

783
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:49,530
then so I would put that one in there as

784
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,070
well

785
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:52,650
okay and then also when I asked you what

786
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:54,330
is the most interesting case you've

787
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:56,790
worked on you said I worked on an

788
00:44:02,060 --> 00:43:59,190
abduction case a few years ago the

789
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:02,070
person has had a unique experience the

790
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,080
case is still going on so you can't talk

791
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:06,660
much about it but for sure it has raised

792
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:07,890
a lot of questions that need to be

793
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:10,940
answered why is it my most interesting

794
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,500
case you've worked on you would say

795
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:16,260
because of how it's working out there

796
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:18,210
are parts that are classic abduction and

797
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:19,140
parts that are

798
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:21,270
man-made was something going on in this

799
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,400
case we don't know yet can you share

800
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:26,040
with us in the most general manner what

801
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:29,640
did happen with that case the witness

802
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:34,740
just rehash what the way the witness was

803
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:38,130
home alone on a Friday night it was a

804
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:42,180
the person was in bed they heard a loud

805
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:47,670
like thump they saw three little aliens

806
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:51,960
that describe this typical greys the the

807
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:54,420
person was paralyzed couldn't move his

808
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:57,690
body when he woke up the graves were

809
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:02,160
gone and the interesting thing about it

810
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:05,190
was some of the characteristics and the

811
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:06,990
characteristics of the abduction was he

812
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:08,580
saw a blue light which is common with

813
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:14,700
abductions the the way that the aliens

814
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:17,550
were described with typical greys in

815
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:20,970
description the size matched what a gray

816
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:26,400
size would be their interest in him it

817
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:30,090
was a guy and his son also matches with

818
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:32,250
abductions as they usually happen within

819
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:33,990
families or there's a family connection

820
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:38,540
it's usually never an isolated abduction

821
00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:42,150
the things that were weird was he's

822
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,860
heard like a hissing sound in the

823
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:45,900
background that he couldn't explain and

824
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:48,300
we couldn't really explain

825
00:45:56,110 --> 00:45:51,090
he never was abducted before or after a

826
00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:56,120
40-day him his his offspring his child

827
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,150
doesn't report any abductions clean

828
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:02,460
background nothing unusual with the guy

829
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:05,460
in his background so you know it's

830
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:08,010
something that it's just random we can't

831
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:09,720
really figure out like why they wanted

832
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:14,310
him or what they needed him for but yeah

833
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:16,410
it's still it's still I guess it's still

834
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:18,870
ongoing we closed it as an unknown we

835
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,300
hold on we haven't heard from the guy

836
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,880
since so I assume he's okay but he has

837
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:26,160
our numbers if you ever need this last

838
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:28,050
time I interviewed you you also said

839
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:30,090
you've never had a UFO sighting is that

840
00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:33,090
still true yeah I thought

841
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,600
had to mm-hmm but I went on and looked

842
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,420
at the playing radar data and one was a

843
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:42,900
UPS and one was a FedEx aircraft going

844
00:46:48,110 --> 00:46:46,380
in there Bradley they were both on final

845
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:48,120
approach so they look like triangles

846
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:49,470
because they were low and other

847
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,930
navigation lights on mm-hmm but they

848
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:55,200
they were just craft that were ours I'm

849
00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:57,390
glad you mentioned that triangle shape

850
00:47:01,040 --> 00:46:59,310
because that rich Hoffman was mentioning

851
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:01,050
he had a case where there were

852
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,170
satellites that were actually multiple

853
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:06,300
ones in the shape of a triangle so it's

854
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,010
important for our listeners to know that

855
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,740
that's possible also I wanted to also

856
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:12,900
let our listeners know one thing that

857
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,850
Michael said and that is Hynek had the

858
00:47:22,310 --> 00:47:20,400
right idea that evidence and scientific

859
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:22,320
approaches to ufology are the best ways

860
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,290
to make the feel credible sources get

861
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,880
people to go on the record

862
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:28,980
find factual data and documents to use

863
00:47:33,860 --> 00:47:31,410
in your presentations and papers pie in

864
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,870
the sky thinking is good however it is

865
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:36,000
not taken serious but mainstream media

866
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:38,310
the scientific community or most people

867
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:40,890
who are critical thinkers and then you

868
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:42,360
gave an example you attended a

869
00:47:45,830 --> 00:47:44,010
conference once and the featured speaker

870
00:47:48,110 --> 00:47:45,840
was giving all this info about multiple

871
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:48,120
dimensions and aliens that was hearsay

872
00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:49,020
at best

873
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:51,360
after the lecture was over the speaker

874
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,550
was ripped to pieces by the audience's

875
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,040
questions if someone new to the field of

876
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,560
ufology heard the speaker as their first

877
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:00,720
intro to the field it would have looked

878
00:48:05,470 --> 00:48:03,840
pretty bad in your opinion and you will

879
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:05,480
and basically you're just saying

880
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:08,870
research that's credible needs to be

881
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,370
needs to be what brings credibility to

882
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:13,740
this field how do you feel about what

883
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:14,970
you said there Michael do you have any

884
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,550
more to add to that no I think that

885
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:18,800
still stands

886
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:23,790
yeah okay and so it's going to ask Paul

887
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:26,940
write a question Paul can you please

888
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:30,780
tell me the kind of a kind of a pointed

889
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:34,050
question let's say you do have a miter

890
00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:39,060
unit and it goes off and you you for

891
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:41,100
some reason have this strange feeling

892
00:48:46,789 --> 00:48:43,290
that there's something outside that

893
00:48:49,459 --> 00:48:46,799
might not be airplanes satellite or

894
00:48:52,759 --> 00:48:49,469
or easily identifiable then you go

895
00:49:00,140 --> 00:48:52,769
outside and it's exactly that it's an

896
00:49:02,509 --> 00:49:00,150
anomalous craft what do you do what

897
00:49:04,789 --> 00:49:02,519
would you do if that happened to you and

898
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,799
you could not identify what it was and

899
00:49:10,249 --> 00:49:07,920
it was hovering over where you lived

900
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:10,259
it'd be great if I could film it first

901
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:13,529
off ok I'd pick up the phone to friend

902
00:49:19,390 --> 00:49:14,230
straight away

903
00:49:27,979 --> 00:49:22,299
you have Fred on speed dial

904
00:49:31,249 --> 00:49:27,989
hopefully yeah all right ok and Frank

905
00:49:33,439 --> 00:49:31,259
did you have any questions for me yeah I

906
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,449
wanted to double back a friend now this

907
00:49:36,949 --> 00:49:35,099
was something that I turned up doing a

908
00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:36,959
little background preparing for this

909
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:39,029
show regarding nycap and something I

910
00:49:45,439 --> 00:49:41,640
didn't realize before and that night cap

911
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:45,449
was founded by the inventor T Townsend

912
00:49:50,289 --> 00:49:48,089
Brown who was actually a heavy heavily

913
00:49:53,689 --> 00:49:50,299
involved in the research regarding

914
00:49:55,939 --> 00:49:53,699
anti-gravity and I know is out likely uh

915
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,949
he was involved a little bit before you

916
00:50:09,169 --> 00:49:58,140
joined the organization but if you had

917
00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:09,179
any thoughts on all that a lot of the

918
00:50:17,499 --> 00:50:13,619
historic things because I had so much

919
00:50:22,339 --> 00:50:17,509
going we had so much going you know

920
00:50:25,219 --> 00:50:22,349
these weird coincidences we run into I

921
00:50:27,259 --> 00:50:25,229
didn't tell you that one of the reasons

922
00:50:29,059 --> 00:50:27,269
why I got involved was because a man

923
00:50:32,479 --> 00:50:29,069
that worked for project sign

924
00:50:34,459 --> 00:50:32,489
I told me how to finish the Geiger

925
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:34,469
counter I was working for in high school

926
00:50:41,029 --> 00:50:37,410
and because of that I got involved with

927
00:50:43,099 --> 00:50:41,039
making a UFO detector basically similar

928
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:43,109
to the Cartwright detective so he was

929
00:50:53,989 --> 00:50:51,059
with projects that's incredible

930
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:53,999
ok and Fran I wanted to ask you if

931
00:51:00,750 --> 00:50:57,209
anyone is interested in my dar and

932
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:00,760
purchasing a unit

933
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:02,050
we'll go ahead and let them know where

934
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:05,470
to go you know online to do that but

935
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:09,480
right now how much are they running for

936
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:13,150
two hundred and forty dollars and they

937
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:15,610
go to that site that you mentioned it

938
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:17,410
has at the top of the page it has

939
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:21,220
purchased okay and so our listeners know

940
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:23,020
where to go they would go to triple w

941
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,500
dot m ad AR dot s ite is that right then

942
00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:30,640
I'll have a link to that in the

943
00:51:35,850 --> 00:51:32,380
description so that'll be easy to find

944
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:35,860
good you know we did a wonderful kind of

945
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:38,250
pre-interview with Fran last night and

946
00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:42,390
Frank you and Fran were talking about

947
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:45,400
some really fascinating cases one was

948
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:48,600
the coin helicopter case and

949
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,100
incidentally Dick Cavett did a show on

950
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:53,920
that as you were saying Fran and so did

951
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:56,140
Hickson and you can't see any of those

952
00:52:00,540 --> 00:51:58,270
on YouTube nobody can seem to find them

953
00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:00,550
if any of our members can by the way

954
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:02,500
please let us know we'd love to see

955
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:04,150
those shows be sure to download them

956
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:06,850
first and then send us the link so they

957
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:08,320
don't take him off YouTube before you

958
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:11,410
can get him but can you Fran or Frank

959
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:14,700
chime in on the coin helicopter case I

960
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:17,170
just know that it's a favorite case of

961
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:19,720
an awful lot of people it basically it

962
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:24,070
involved an Ohio National Guard two

963
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:27,190
helicopter pilot lieutenant coin and he

964
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:29,830
and his crew were flying from Columbus

965
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:32,110
to Cleveland a roughly Cleveland area

966
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:36,550
and in flight what they encountered was

967
00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:42,130
a UFO that also raised their altitude in

968
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,780
a matter of seconds raised the actual

969
00:52:47,010 --> 00:52:46,240
altitude of the helicopter several

970
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:47,020
thousand feet

971
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:50,170
there were also ground sightings of this

972
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,540
UFO so it was an extraordinary occasion

973
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,400
of course bran was discussing a

974
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:56,800
correlation between some of the the

975
00:53:00,330 --> 00:52:58,090
sightings and the hits that he was

976
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:00,340
getting in Indiana with this particular

977
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:02,590
case so I know it's a favorite of a lot

978
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:04,930
of people my friend what are your

979
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:13,819
a lot of people you know it perk it

980
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:16,529
prepped them up and what we found though

981
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:18,950
there was a sighting at the same time in

982
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:22,680
Mount Vernon over on Ford Road and this

983
00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:25,259
woman had just gone to bed and she heard

984
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:28,700
this vibrating noise throbbing noise and

985
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:31,559
she went out sciency so this huge

986
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,249
tubular shaped object that looked like

987
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,140
it had a lot of lights all over it

988
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:40,079
and it had just passed through the

989
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:42,180
vehicle order which is the mile from her

990
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:46,319
house between her and the river so it

991
00:53:50,989 --> 00:53:48,569
was seen at the same time so it

992
00:53:52,759 --> 00:53:50,999
indicates you know that there was

993
00:53:57,319 --> 00:53:52,769
something going on over that region at

994
00:54:01,339 --> 00:53:57,329
the same time okay yeah we were talking

995
00:54:05,479 --> 00:54:01,349
about how there was a UFO in Indiana

996
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:05,489
Mount Vernon 15 miles of from Evansville

997
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:10,200
during the mid-70s last night Fran do

998
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:14,130
you remember that yes can you can you

999
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:16,140
give us a little bit of information on

1000
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:26,099
that a little bit more people were

1001
00:54:32,299 --> 00:54:29,249
reporting but it looked like a rotating

1002
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:32,309
disc the lights on it were rotating and

1003
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:36,089
we we watched it several nights in a row

1004
00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:40,559
and the control car told us that the FAA

1005
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:43,349
was testing a new lighting system called

1006
00:54:48,019 --> 00:54:45,049
the see and be seen

1007
00:54:50,859 --> 00:54:48,029
so this jet from Memphis would be coming

1008
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:50,869
in and then be hundreds of miles out and

1009
00:54:58,219 --> 00:54:55,700
you could see it would be like the

1010
00:55:00,920 --> 00:54:58,229
orange in color because of the dirty

1011
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:00,930
atmosphere and then as it got close the

1012
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:02,729
lights would separate me bright like

1013
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:05,190
headlights and then they on Zeke return

1014
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,059
on its approach and drop to 8,000 feet

1015
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:11,819
and kick on all these lights and that's

1016
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,130
what people were seeing so me and two

1017
00:55:18,859 --> 00:55:16,200
other guys with three did three

1018
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:18,869
different automobiles and CB radios went

1019
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,569
out to op1 which is a cemetery hill and

1020
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:24,160
we were watching this and marveling over

1021
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:27,430
but while we were in there and this is

1022
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:29,410
really one reason to watch still doing

1023
00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:31,540
what I've done while we were there

1024
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:33,880
something came out of the West that

1025
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:36,040
looked like an ambulance

1026
00:55:41,610 --> 00:55:38,920
it had the lights going around it's

1027
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:41,620
similar to the objects seen in Close

1028
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:46,690
Encounters of their kind ha ha and as it

1029
00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:48,970
was coming towards us it turned south

1030
00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:52,560
and headed right down the highway but

1031
00:55:57,780 --> 00:55:55,900
being new in the area I wasn't I wasn't

1032
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,790
familiar with the roads and the next day

1033
00:56:01,980 --> 00:55:59,920
we found out there was no road there so

1034
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:01,990
whatever it was came over a cornfield

1035
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:05,460
straight towards us and headed south and

1036
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:09,040
to this day I can't help but believe

1037
00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:12,790
somebody somebody we were there that's

1038
00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:14,470
amazing too bad you didn't have your

1039
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:24,280
cell phone with you yeah that was an

1040
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:26,710
amazing time that's that's the period

1041
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:29,020
that first got me into being interested

1042
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:32,680
in the UFOs that that 1973 timeframe

1043
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:35,050
yeah I Paul I wanted to jump over to you

1044
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,300
now you're headquartered in France now

1045
00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:40,000
and I also I couldn't help but notice

1046
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:43,300
your marvelous British accent so I I

1047
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:46,570
wanted to ask you it seems like at least

1048
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:48,610
in France that we hear that the subject

1049
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:51,220
of the UFOs is taking a little bit more

1050
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:52,930
seriously than it might be here in the

1051
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:55,690
States and wondered you know can you

1052
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:57,880
talk a little bit about that and talk

1053
00:57:01,980 --> 00:56:59,530
about you know are there any differences

1054
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:01,990
between how its accepted in france's our

1055
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:04,750
visa vie the UK and the u.s. can you

1056
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:09,040
tell us a little bit about that well I

1057
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:13,510
want the Jeep and here in France they

1058
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:15,610
seemed to take forever to get their data

1059
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:20,020
out on their website they're hard to

1060
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:21,310
approach they're not they're not very

1061
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:25,870
forthcoming with information but it's it

1062
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:28,870
to me coming from the UK it seems very

1063
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:31,540
sort of closed doors here with our

1064
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:35,890
theater folks albeit taken seriously at

1065
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,290
the same time

1066
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,780
so the books we take it seriously yeah

1067
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:41,550
yeah yeah it does are the folks is taken

1068
00:57:45,860 --> 00:57:43,740
seriously take it seriously but they

1069
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:45,870
don't share openly what they've at what

1070
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,850
the data they've gathered no okay well I

1071
00:57:59,890 --> 00:57:56,460
wanted to let everybody know that if

1072
00:58:02,840 --> 00:57:59,900
they want to find out more about the

1073
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:02,850
roof on Connecticut chapter all they

1074
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:07,790
have to do is go on Facebook and look up

1075
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:13,910
facebook.com slash groups slash MUFON CT

1076
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:17,750
and MUFON is Mau Fon so that's

1077
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:22,320
facebook.com slash groups slash MUFON CT

1078
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,190
and then they have a page which is

1079
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:27,920
relatively the same URL it's

1080
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:31,550
facebook.com slash MUFON Connecticut and

1081
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:34,050
Michael panecillo is the director of

1082
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:35,910
MUFON Connecticut thank you very much

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for having been on the show today and

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then we also had Paul Wright on who runs

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the made our system in France for Fran

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Ridge and you're going to you're

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basically working on more equipment

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right regarding the mitre node I suppose

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is that how is that the terminology I

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would use to refer to it or what would

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you call it okay and then hahaha thank

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you and then we had Fran Ridge who is

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the head of my dar and he's had sixty

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years regarding the topic of ufology and

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studying and researching it and we're

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just so very grateful to have had you on

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the show want to direct people to please

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go to his site which is triple w dot M a

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dar dot s ite and would like to ask Fran

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and everybody else to please come back

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on our show again next year and I

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recommend probably like you know late

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next year when there's more developments

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going on with the equipment Paul would

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you be willing to come back on with us

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to give us a report on that you know

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that'd be great yeah when you got that

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some some hot stuff fight so

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matter of time if you keep the other

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gear right and then Michael I would love

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to ask Armando and Mike to join us on

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the show also regarding their might our

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equipment experiences and of course Fran

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we cannot have a show without you so

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would love to have you all back on the

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show again next year thank you all for

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thanks again thank you very much well

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everybody chant thanks thanks to our

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guests

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Michael panitch hello Fran Ridge and

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Paul Wright thanks for joining us and

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amazing tech we've got here we don't

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have a made our set up here but we got

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some amazing tech to bring these people

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in from all over the states and even

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over into Europe so thanks again fellas

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thanks chantara for setting this up I

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sure do appreciate that and is there

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anything else you got for us in closing

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I do

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I really recommend people buy this unit

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and one reason why is we all want to

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learn more about this topic it's vitally

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important that we all put forth an

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effort to find out more about it and if

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you have the discretionary income to

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spend to buy unit I highly recommend

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doing so so you can go ahead and do that

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on their site at triple w dot made r dot

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SI te thank you very much and have a

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lovely evening all right yeah thanks a

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lot everybody good night and we'll be

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seeing you soon with another fine show